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You can not make some travel on a path of self discovery if their soul isnt ready to leave where they are

Published December 28, 2016 by starsmoonandsun

I have been drawn to men draped in melancholy for quite some time I am beginning to think this has to do with my Saturn in the 7th house this isn’t exactly attracting the most joyous of partners  This placement often indicates marrying an older and colder partner. Ah it is what it is I suppose they can be older and they certainly do not have to be light but as of 2017 they will need to be happy.

You think that you can save them, you think that you can show them, you think that you can heal them but it never works that way.

I am telling you on your lengthy lists of what you seek in a partner you better put on the top of the list

  1. Happy
  2. Healthy

My Plutonic love-who this blog is written in dedication too- was heavy, depressed, his energy was thick. I would spend one night with him and sleep for days afterward. We were connected by etheric cords from navel chakra to navel chakra. He would drain me of my life force, that’s how we were connected. I was his source of power, maybe his source of light .img_1497img_1496img_1494 This is a man that has anything and everything you could possibly desire but he was perpetually sad. He has Sun Square Saturn and Chiron loosely conjunct his Sun and Mercury.

Saturn in aspect to planets will restrict and suppress the planets natural expression. Sun/Saturn often represents a father issue, perhaps inheriting paternal depression; other people have an absent father (Suri Cruise) or a general feeling of not being able to live up to the father.The identity (the Sun) is restricted. This placement is often found in millionaires as they use accomplishment and work (Saturn) to fill themselves (sun). Chiron on the Sun indicates a core wounding with in the sense of self. The sun is your identity, your self-expression, so here there may be a wound surrounding your sense of self. Not feeling good enough, you may feel like a part of you in missing, you may feel empty –Clearly these being the harsher manifestations

I also dated a crazy Gemini,  he was Saturian as well with his natal Moon placed in Capricorn this is common in people who are depressed and often found in alcoholics He had many addictions from gambling to cocaine but he will forever be one of my favorite people in the world. For all of his bad habits he was honest about all of them and never professed to be anything other than who he was.

Though I will say addiction is NOT who you are it is something you do that covers up who you are, that drowns out the voice of who you are. Addiction will fill you with lies about who you are but I will save that post for another day.

He also had Venus conjunct Saturn; blocks to love, suppressed feelings of love, past hurts that are difficult to get beyond in matters  of the heart.And as of late- the man who will culminate this lesson for me since I didn’t get it the first 10 times…well he is a Capricorn rising (Chart ruler is Saturn) I will tell you when I first saw him I thought well isn’t this a beautiful creature ( His Neptune opposes my Mars and Venus) he looked like a man that was oblivious to how beautiful he was (Natal Chiron square Ascendant exact, this shows a wound surrounding the way you look ) I remember thinking this man looks like he forgot the real meaning of life. He looks like he forgot what love feels like (he has Natal Saturn opposite Venus, blocks to love, chooses work over love, being closed to love). It never occurred to me that maybe he didn’t want to know what love was, maybe he didnt want to remember. Maybe he prefered it this way, life this way. Maybe thats why he keeps a door of revolving women, if you keep the rotation going you dont have to worry about anyone getting too close.

“When you have lived in a dungeon for a very long time the light when you see it can actually hurt your eyes” ~Marianne Williamson

That is Saturn in the 7th house attracting men with planets placed in Capricorn, planets in hard aspect to Saturn men that are blocked in some manner, men that think accomplishment is the gateway to self-love. Surprise it isn’t! No amount of accolades, money, or outer work will compensate for a lack of inner work

“You and I both know that we have shadow sides. We have edges my darling resistances to love” ~Marianne Williamson (She has Capricorn moon might I add and Sun square Saturn)

“A ring of fear surrounds love like rings around Saturn” ~Marianne Williamson

Even my crazy partying Gemini ran his own company work hard play hard was the motto.

I thought perhaps every time  that I could show them there is more to life, you think you can tell them life holds more beauty then 7 figures sitting in a bank account. I want to shout none of this shit matters !!!! But they don’t hear me. You can show someone the path but you can not make them travel it.


Richard Burton put it best when he said “we operate on alien wave-lengths. You are as distant as Venus–planet, I mean–and I am tone-deaf to the music of the spheres”

Maybe my Gemini listened more so then the others, he had Aquarius rising so he was evolved he use to tell me I think you know things no one else does. I was deeply honored

With this Capricorn Rising and my crazy Gemini My Moon conjunct their natal Chiron I don’t know if I possessed a conscious need to heal them. Chiron is where you carry your deepest wound accordingly to cafeastrology.com “Chiron represents insecurity, where we feel an endless need to prove ourselves”

I do not have a heavy Saturn or  Chiron in my natal chart I have Chiron hanging out in my 2nd house …we all have Chiron some place it opposes my Uranus in the 8th I read that those of us that have Uranus opposite Chiron “reiki, acupuncture, therapy are some examples of the subtle energy healing techniques that may be apart of your wounding, healing journey”

It was this Capricorn rising that inspired me to  get more involved in Reiki healing I am going for my certification at the beginning of 2017. I had touched him lightly in his stomach area and felt this wound, it was open, it was like I stuck my hand into another dimension and I quickly pulled it out.

It is said in synastry the moon person can heal and nurture the chiron person. I read on yahoo answers “when your moon conjuncts his chiron you possess the innate and uncanny ability to see through his facade and literally feel his pain”

Some people prefer to live behind a mask, some people prefer we don’t see the Wizard of Oz man behind the curtain. On some level they  enjoy their man made prisons it feels safer living with in them.

It takes alot to live your most authentic life, this personal path of endless self analysis that those of us are on isn’t easy. And yes we may meet people who have lost sight of who they are, and we may encounter people that forgot the beauty in love, and sometimes I think we- those of us in the metaphysical field- feel: I see the soul of you I know the whole of you… but you can not remind people who they are when they would rather forget. And you can not heal anyone that doesn’t want to heal. You can not make some travel on a path of self discovery if their soul isnt ready to leave where they are. It simply doesnt work this way. And while this saddens me I know I am living authentically I have gone to war with my wounds I am healed I am present and ready for great love and in the words of Nayyirah Waheed “You never ever have to convince someone to do the work to be ready. There is more extraordinary love out here in this wide and wild universe. And there is the love that will be ready”

 

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True Life I dated a Narcissist -Astrology

Published May 12, 2016 by starsmoonandsun


I have been on the fence about writing this, who am I kidding I have been on the fence about accepting this. Dating a narcissist, you will never ever understand it unless you have actually lived it and I can say I will never judge a situation from the outside looking in again. You can do any Google search to find out what narcissism REALLY is but all you really need to know is narcissists never change, there is no cure for their behavior and it is one of the toughest personality disorders to treat.  Anyone that has dated a narcissist will research extensively their behaviors. I think the mind of a normal human being cannot fathom the manner in which they operate. You cant believe there are people out here walking among us disguised as caring human beings when that aren’t. They are soulless, they lack empathy, they simply do not possess that ability to connect emotionally.  After having known someone for several years I have come to find I never new him at all. Only the facade, the empty shell, the outer layer.

Some of the characteristics of Narcissism

Charm

Astrologically Venus on the rise (in the 1st house) Libra or Taurus rising can be very charming. The Ascendant is what you project out into the world it is the mask you wear, the face you show, it’s the door to the house not the interior.

I am not sure what to say about charm to me it’s nothing more than a decoration. Politeness gets me more and Narcissists are all of that charming, polite they project their best face out into the world. This is not necessarily their authentic face. And only those that have known them intimately will see the interior behind that fraudulent mask.

Venus on the rise can do that, the Venus like qualities are displayed. I also believe people with Venus connected to the 1st house are attractive usually this is the planet associated with love and beauty. (Libra more so then Taurus, Taurus tends to deal with the more financial side of Venus but still)

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Lies

Dear God they will lie like a bear skin rug I wonder if they believe their own lies or do they wish they could stop lying and can’t help themselves. Everything I have read says they lie for sport, they get a kick out of people believing their lies it feeds them.

Mercury planet of communication aspecting Neptune (conjunction, square, or opposition) the planet of deception is found in compulsive liars. I know people that have this that do not lie and I know people that lie habitually that don’t have it. Astrology isn’t one stop shopping.

When Neptune planet of deception aspects Mercury you can find someone that is deceptive, the mind can also be confused when Neptune aspects Mercury, there is confusion in thinking and sorting and remembering facts. This can also indicate an artistic mind, but I am not here to write about anything other than narcissism today.  Astromix.org writes with Mercury opposite Neptune “cleansing yourself of deceptive influences is essential not just the outer influences effecting you but also that pattern of creating them”

The Neptune energy becomes infused into Mercury so here we have deception meets communication.

Narcissists will lie about everything they will promise you the world and deliver you NOTHING! Maybe an occasional crumb they will take you on a magic carpet ride and drop you straight out of the sky without a care in the world.

Mercury in hard aspect to Jupiter can also indicate lying but not in the deceptive way as with Neptune. Mercury/Jupiter often indicates promising more then you can deliver. Jupiter the planet of expansion is filtered into Mercury plant of communication so here we have BIG plans and BIG dreams that while dating a narcissist will never see the light of day.

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Projection

Projection is when we take our own traits but do not acknowledge them in ourselves instead we find them in others so it is not uncommon for Narcissists to call YOU crazy when In fact they are called “the crazy makers” to accuse YOU of cheating when in fact they are the ones slinging that dick all around town. They do not and will not ever be self reflective or introspective so they will continuously feel as though everything is happening to them not within them. They often suffer from a woe is me mentality and lure others in with tales of woe.

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Projections in astrology are found in oppositions

Oppositions are 2 planets in opposing signs. When planets are opposite one another we often experience them as happening to us, that someone from the outside is doing something to us. I bet Narcissists have a high level of oppositions. Mine certainly did, his are off the charts.

Projection and Oppositions

We all have oppositions (well most of us do)  they can be helpful in relating to others and for those that are self aware we can check in with ourselves; am I projecting this onto others? What in me is activating this experience? For instance I have moon opposite Pluto so a lot of times in the past I have had issues with women, power struggles. Now I think to myself, I would rather be happy then argue and I don’t engage (not all of the time) I also own the fact that I attract women that  love or hate me because I am someone that is extreme in MY feelings. You attract what you are- universal law of mirrors. Anyway a narcissist will never process things like that because they will never look with in at their real self because they project this image of a false self. That’s the same image you fell for, the one that isn’t real.

This narcissist  had a lot of oppositions the one I found most relevant was Venus (women, planet of love, ruler of women) opposite Mars ( God of War)  This can be someone that hits women. I never saw this man lose his temper like that. But if not that they create situations in their love (Venus) life that is combative (Mars) Mars in continuously filtered into their love nature. They have the inability to have normal intimacy.  They create havoc and turmoil. A Narcissist cannot have normal happy monogamous relationships. I think it was best said here:

Venus opposite Mars

 

You can read the full blog post here:

http://astrologytruth.blogspot.com/2015/04/abnormal-sex-drives-insatiable-appetite.html

Narcissists are known for pitting women against one another. They also have a number of “crazy exes”

triangulation

 

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They need to have constant chaos surrounding them. Projections are often the reason Narcissists have a Victim Mentality they don’t take ownership of their own action and feel as though everything is happening to them

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Chiron

Everything often goes back to childhood and I do wish I could feel more compassionate towards narcissists but I simply cannot and if you ever encountered one you would know why. I know from a detached logical viewpoint that they are wounded birds. I know hurt people hurt people. I know normal people don’t go around treating people who care about them like shit.  This particular gem LOL has Chiron the wounded healer exact conjoining his Sun-his identity-his ego- his life force. This is a wound usually inflicted or somehow related to the father figure. I will not get into his personal life, he may lack integrity but I don’t. The person with sun conjunct Chiron is born with a pain, a hole with in them. These people  -non narcissists- will build other people up, they are other peoples cheerleaders they celebrate in others what they can not do for themselves. That’s the thing with Chiron you are wounded in that area but you can help others. However no one ever talks about the darker side of Chiron

“The Sun is the only heavenly body that casts a direct shadow on the Earth; the full moon casts shadows but its more diffuse light is reflected from the Sun. This ‘dark side of the sun’ is relevant when Chiron aspects the Sun. It represents egomania, narcissism, a belief that one’s purpose is god-ordained and therefore any means justify the attaining of it. With these aspects, we can become authoritarian, and desire to be in sole control of life and everyone we come into contact with; we may be willful, inflexible, to contemptuous and always need to be right. Coming face to face with this controlling, destructive and autocratic side of the masculine principle is often a difficult part of the journey of those with Chiron/Sun aspects. “-Melanie Reinhart’s book Chiron and the Healing Journey

Mass killer Elliot Rodger has an exact Chiron conjunct Sun in Leo You can read about him and his narcissistic personality disorder here

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-mysteries-love/201406/elliot-rodger-s-narcissism

 

I did a reading for someone recently for a client that had Sun conjunct Chiron they asked me if they were a narcissist and I laughed and said absolutely NOT a narcissist will never ask if they are a narcissist because a narcissist isn’t reflective they are projective. Besides they think they are perfect

 

The Lessons

I have to say I have never encountered someone like this in my life but as an ever evolving being I take the time to look for the lessons and they are plentiful

 

  • “Protect  your magic “
  • Surround yourself with happy and healthy people
  • Follow your intuition ( I kept ignoring mine. I didnt want to believe it)
  • Trust in the timing of your life Dont be in a rush to meet someone you want the right person and they will come at the right time
  • Get real about what you want. When you are unclear about what you want the universe will deliver you any old body

I will leave you with some of my favorite narcissist quotes

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