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Living with Pluto in the 8th house

Published January 16, 2013 by starsmoonandsun

Usually I plaster some catchy title, but let’s be honest Pluto and the 8th house do not need cheesy catch phrases or introductions.
Pluto planet of death and rebirth is at home in the 8th house and I’m accustomed to Pluto in the 8th house considering it has been there my entire life, people experiencing this via transit may be privy to some sudden and life altering experience and it can be quite alarming because they are not accustomed to the energy. I think if you have a planet nataly over time you will learn to harness that planets energy, have it work for you instead of against you.
The back story on Pluto
Pluto rules: death in all manners, physically, metaphorically, spiritually and rebirth. Pluto rules power, the fight for power, perhaps for some feeling powerless, control, domination, darkness, depth, endings, and beginnings. Pluto’s Nickname is Lord of the Underworld. Look to the natal house that holds Pluto to see where you fight for control, where you will meet powerful people and where you will die and be reborn.
The back story on the 8th house
The 8th house rules similar things that is why Pluto is comfortable there, death rebirth, power, it also rules joint resources…you look to the 8th house to see what will occur with people you share money with. This can be a bank, a spouse, a business partner, the 8th house also rules sex; I’m going to say the darker part of sex not the light and fuzzy part look to the 5th house for unicorns and hand holding. I have the Sun in the 5th so yes I do believe in fairytales 😉
Pluto in the 8th house manifestation
Change and Transformation
I have been thinking about Pluto in the 8th house lately, how it manifests for me and what they do not tell you in Astrology 101 textbooks. A “psychic” once told me; you bring men face to face with who they are and this makes it difficult for you to have relationships or friendships because people do not want to know who they are, they prefer to hide. I have been thinking about this lately. Torn between the notion of accepting people as they are or catapulting them to a better truer existence. I have an issue with this; I have an issue with accepting people as they are. I think in personal relationships we should seek to bring people to live there highest potential. I’m unsure if we should allow people we care about to perpetuate there less than glowing attributes. In personal relationships don’t we want to be involved with those that deliver us to our higher selves? Don’t we want someone that holds us accountable?
That is the deal with Pluto in the 8th house, Pluto is a probing planet when making an aspect to another person’s personal planet (Sun, Moon Mercury, Venus, Mars) in synastry or perhaps our own personal planet we seek to transform that planet. If Pluto in on your Sun or someone else’s, we wish to change their identity, if it’s on the moon we wish to purify and strip old feelings and replace them with new. It represents a cathartic transformative process, purge the old and make room for the new. Death and Rebirth. Personally I’m always changing; I have Pluto in my 8th house aspecting my sun, moon, mercury and Venus and is a part of a cardinal t square. Plutonian energies are always at work.
That being said, I have began to question my own motives, the fact that I wish to transform people. I do think at times who the fuck am I? If someone is happy screwing up there life, living a lie or in some faux relationship, let them. Ah but Pluto is Compulsive, to me it represents truth. Textbooks say With Pluto in the 8th house this is indicative of having the power to transform other peoples’ lives. Its compulsive really, I find myself digging and probing, the more reserved someone is the more I want to get in there, get inside and figure them out and truth be told once I get in there I’m gone, I lose interest. Mission Completed. I like to go where others fear to go, explore emotional depths and visit the crawl spaces of peoples mind.
The Truth
Pluto in the 8th is on a quest for meaning and truth. You can skip the pleasantries and the how was your weekend bullshit. And don’t even think about lying to me, because I know. People with Pluto in the 8th house pick up on the undercurrents. I also prefer heavy conversations; preferably the less long winded the better. This isn’t a placement for mincing words. I ask questions that others wouldn’t dare ask and people actually tell me there truths. Not all but most. I don’t do frivolous conversation and I hate meaningless chit chat. I want to know if you think you are married to the wrong person and which child of yours is your favorite? One of my favorite book series is: Post Secret I have the collection; people write in to a PO BOX there darkest secrets anonymously. I love that idea, write it down, send it in and free your soul. I have 0 judgments when it comes to confessions; I think the truth is a gateway like astrology to greater understanding. Pluto in the 8th house is a natural born psychologist.
Extreme in temperament, power struggles and death oh my
I’m a person of extremes; love/hate beautiful/ugly. I think I unconsciously seek out relationships with power struggles. Was I the only kid in camp that “dated” my camp counselor? Probably. Power struggles, digging, searching, changing and oh yeah dying. People always die on me, I can discuss death the way most people would talk about chores, it’s just with Pluto in the 8th house you are accustomed to it. I’m not the one to hold your hand when you 101 year old grandmother died, just saying. Like my fellow 8th house Pluto friend would say, call me when you lost a parent, a grandparent before the 6th grade.
Crisis
Pluto in the 8th is great during an emergency, I can handle high-pressure situations with ease, but have me miss my train to work or misplace my house keys and I’m crying in my purse and cursing at the top of my lungs. I always find that to be a weird dichotomy in my personality. I also fee easily wounded, Cancer Sun in the 5th house can be very needy, fragile but eventually I see my way through the tears, heart break and disappointment and use it to transform into some one greater.
Where is Pluto in your Natal Chart and how is he working for you?

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Once Upon a Time, Mazzy Star and Neptune Square Natal Venus Transit

Published January 11, 2013 by starsmoonandsun

once upon a timeclockimagesCA1ESM6SimagesCAUM0JOXTransit Neptune Squaring my natal Venus is the only major transit I have right now, though Pluto in Capricorn opposing my natal Sun is well on its way and even closer is Pluto in Capricorn squaring my natal moon in Aries. I expected this transit to be a “feel good one”. Ah not so fast. When does it end I want to throw my hands up into the sky. Apparently not until sometime NEXT year. I cried today while grocery shopping I always wonder why am I never given the opportunity to dream a bit. Recently I was telling a story to someone; I had a date with some guy ; many years ago. We went back to house, nothing happened but I had taken off this very heavy gladiator bracelet I had on and put it on his sofa table. He gave me a tour of his place and upon seeing his walk in closet I exclaimed, “Wow I can fit all my shit in here”. Next thing I knew he was handing me my bracelet and quickly escorting me to my car. I knew he wouldn’t call; quite frankly I was 22 and didn’t care. When he handed me the bracelet I felt this surge of energy, the I’m never calling you again I’m not ready for you to move all your shit into my house energy.

This tale is indicative of my entire existence with men, and lately the question has been on my mind; why can’t I just dream a little bit. Why is every beginning so obviously marred with a tragic ending. Why do things end before they begin? I watch other people conduct entire faux relationships you know who they are, they dress alike, perhaps one is always cheating but there are these large enouncements concerning there relationship on face book, perhaps they even share a facebook account (not that anything is wrong with that) and I’m like who is actually believing this shit show. It all seems so very transparent. With that being said I would like to dream for awhile, I would like to be that naive to believe what someone tells me, never question and dare not know any better. But I’m not afforded this and I would like to know why?

The technical stuff
Neptune is currently in its sign of rulership Pisces; it will remain in Pisces until 2025! Neptune rules dreams, illusions, addictions, charlatans, deceptions, self sacrifice. Neptune is currently squaring my Venus in Gemini; Venus rules love, beauty, finance,and sex to some extent. Text books say during this transit you are in danger of picking up liars, schemers, martyr, expierence problems with finance, people taking advantage of you and indiscrimination when selecting a partner. They say it is better to wait until after this transit is complete to enter into a relationship, I say sign me the fuck up, I want to dream! Bob Mark the Astrologer so eloquently put it you are prone to like people because of their issues “Oh you poor little thing. I know you’re an alcoholic, a junkie, a con-artist, and tri-sexual. Let me marry you and make you all better! Do yourself a favor and use the magic number instead. Please memorize it. It is 911. Dial that and have them taken away. Let a professional take care of them”

My issue is more of the fact that I don’t get the chance to dream I would love to have some moments where I can escape (Neptune rules escapism) my daily life! I want to listen to Mazzy Star (Neptune and Venus rule music) and dance around my living room with someone while drinking some wine (Neptune rules alcohol) Venus can rule excess. I can say with direct honesty that I’m looking for an escape from my day to day existence and none has been provided. I want the pleasure of believing even if it isn’t true; instead here I’m in reality everything so painfully obvious. Never permitted to dream. I listen to women tell me, oh I know he has no job”, but I really love him”. And I think hmmm ok or he hit me but it was just once. I think to myself there isn’t a transit in the world that will make me love you more than I love me. Ok. But still I would like nights that you believe will last forever, that feeling when 2 people are first falling in love & you know it. You can feel it on the other person and you believe it. It has been so long since I loved someone and even longer since I loved the right someone. I have been blissfully unaware how closed I have been until just recently. I invited someone over I will call him “Scorpio moon”, we talked about life, astrology, music, Mazzy Starr oddly playing and for a minute I believe she was stuck on repeat, and I felt like I was outside myself watching time move on. I haven’t talked with or kissed a man since my plutonic love which now oddly feels like another lifetime ago. When telling the story to my coworker I said it was so weird I feel like a part of me has been frozen in time and Scorpio Moon set my clock forward. Your biological clock, she teased 😉
No like the clock on the show Once Upon a Time on ABC, all these people are trapped in time for the first season unaware of there previous lives. Karmic Ties and lost Loves Oh my! They know something is missing, but not sure what it is. One of the characters on the show is a child that demands an adult Bring back the happy endings.
I cant help but wonder where is my happy ending or atleast faux happy ending. Neptune square Venus in astrology is dubbed the “farytale aspect” Apparently the only farytales that exist for me are on tv because I never get the chance to dream. Reality is an ever looming prescence.

A solar return & solidifying preference for reading strangers

Published December 31, 2012 by starsmoonandsun

I prefer to read the charts of people I don’t know, when I know someone I can’t help but put my own thoughts & wishes upon them. This is also the reason I look to other astrologers to read my chart so I’m not guilty of seeing what I want to see instead of what is actually and factually there. I first realized this when I read the chart of my plutonic love see entry here:
http://starsmoonandsun.com/2011/07/01/a-dedication-to-a-plutonic-love/

He was due to get married & I kept thinking this wedding is not going to happen. I didn’t see it in the solar return. There are certain indicators when looking for a year of marriage in solar return such as
1 Venus rising
2 Planets in the 7th (marriage) 9th (legal activities) 3rd (rules contracts)
3 Mars, Pluto, or Saturn angular
4 The Midheaven coming to the Ascendant indicates an event

These are some vague examples; I never predict anything without 3 placements AKA three confirmations
You can find extensive interpretation tools here:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/20033787/Solar-Return-Book

I believed he would never marry her, when in fact the wedding, the event; the reception was placed on hold due to weather constraints. A natural disaster swooped in. An instructor would later say how appropriate Pluto rules hurricanes, tornadoes etc. Plutonic Love indeed. In any event I leaped to conclusions seeing what I wanted to see because I wanted him, had I not known him perhaps I would’ve seen the event not occurring or rather being postponed, instead of having bouts of delusions. Please god let him leave her at the altar. Yes I know I’m going to hell for but hey I would rather party with the sinners than cry with the saints!
Fast forward 2 years: my friend has been the victim of identity theft someone has committed crimes using his identification. I read for him early in the year & didn’t predict this. My friend is an upstanding citizen, a marvelous person that I certainly didn’t foresee being wrapped up in any troublesome legality. He travels often, for instance in this year alone he probably has taken 8 trips for leisure…. he has a loaded 3rd house-Moon Pluto, Jupiter & Saturn so travel is essential. This year however he had Saturn planet of hardship and restriction in the Solar Return 9th house I advised him to not schedule a trips abroad & that if he did he would experience some sort of issue. I was thinking detainment, delays or bad weather. The other day he called me & told me all about his stolen ID & the crimes etc he said I know it’s in my chart & I’m like no no no. He demanded I find it! I know it’s there, he said. He is an Aquarius ya know when they are right they are right. So I pull up the chart & see Saturn in the 9th house. The 9th house rules far off travel, higher learning & legalities! The 9th house is on the natal 3rd house, the 3rd house rules siblings, and general correspondence. While traveling to California his home state he received a letter stating his license had been suspended due to 3 DWI’s. He is now stuck in California sorting this out. To add further insight he has Neptune in the Solar Return 7th house, I know he is in a relationship so when I read for him I inquired if both of them were being honest with one another. Yes! Of course he assured me, but the 7th house doesn’t only rule partnerships, it rules open enemies. & lawsuits! Neptune rules alcohol and scandal. Damn so someone has stolen his id, blaming him for their 3 DWI’s he has found out this via a letter while he was traveling cross country. My mind is alive with insight mini landmines are going off. Why didn’t I see this before! Because I know him that is why, an astrological lesson learned.

Solar Return Saturn in the 9th

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