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You can not make some travel on a path of self discovery if their soul isnt ready to leave where they are

Published December 28, 2016 by starsmoonandsun

I have been drawn to men draped in melancholy for quite some time I am beginning to think this has to do with my Saturn in the 7th house this isn’t exactly attracting the most joyous of partners  This placement often indicates marrying an older and colder partner. Ah it is what it is I suppose they can be older and they certainly do not have to be light but as of 2017 they will need to be happy.

You think that you can save them, you think that you can show them, you think that you can heal them but it never works that way.

I am telling you on your lengthy lists of what you seek in a partner you better put on the top of the list

  1. Happy
  2. Healthy

My Plutonic love-who this blog is written in dedication too- was heavy, depressed, his energy was thick. I would spend one night with him and sleep for days afterward. We were connected by etheric cords from navel chakra to navel chakra. He would drain me of my life force, that’s how we were connected. I was his source of power, maybe his source of light .img_1497img_1496img_1494 This is a man that has anything and everything you could possibly desire but he was perpetually sad. He has Sun Square Saturn and Chiron loosely conjunct his Sun and Mercury.

Saturn in aspect to planets will restrict and suppress the planets natural expression. Sun/Saturn often represents a father issue, perhaps inheriting paternal depression; other people have an absent father (Suri Cruise) or a general feeling of not being able to live up to the father.The identity (the Sun) is restricted. This placement is often found in millionaires as they use accomplishment and work (Saturn) to fill themselves (sun). Chiron on the Sun indicates a core wounding with in the sense of self. The sun is your identity, your self-expression, so here there may be a wound surrounding your sense of self. Not feeling good enough, you may feel like a part of you in missing, you may feel empty –Clearly these being the harsher manifestations

I also dated a crazy Gemini,  he was Saturian as well with his natal Moon placed in Capricorn this is common in people who are depressed and often found in alcoholics He had many addictions from gambling to cocaine but he will forever be one of my favorite people in the world. For all of his bad habits he was honest about all of them and never professed to be anything other than who he was.

Though I will say addiction is NOT who you are it is something you do that covers up who you are, that drowns out the voice of who you are. Addiction will fill you with lies about who you are but I will save that post for another day.

He also had Venus conjunct Saturn; blocks to love, suppressed feelings of love, past hurts that are difficult to get beyond in matters  of the heart.And as of late- the man who will culminate this lesson for me since I didn’t get it the first 10 times…well he is a Capricorn rising (Chart ruler is Saturn) I will tell you when I first saw him I thought well isn’t this a beautiful creature ( His Neptune opposes my Mars and Venus) he looked like a man that was oblivious to how beautiful he was (Natal Chiron square Ascendant exact, this shows a wound surrounding the way you look ) I remember thinking this man looks like he forgot the real meaning of life. He looks like he forgot what love feels like (he has Natal Saturn opposite Venus, blocks to love, chooses work over love, being closed to love). It never occurred to me that maybe he didn’t want to know what love was, maybe he didnt want to remember. Maybe he prefered it this way, life this way. Maybe thats why he keeps a door of revolving women, if you keep the rotation going you dont have to worry about anyone getting too close.

“When you have lived in a dungeon for a very long time the light when you see it can actually hurt your eyes” ~Marianne Williamson

That is Saturn in the 7th house attracting men with planets placed in Capricorn, planets in hard aspect to Saturn men that are blocked in some manner, men that think accomplishment is the gateway to self-love. Surprise it isn’t! No amount of accolades, money, or outer work will compensate for a lack of inner work

“You and I both know that we have shadow sides. We have edges my darling resistances to love” ~Marianne Williamson (She has Capricorn moon might I add and Sun square Saturn)

“A ring of fear surrounds love like rings around Saturn” ~Marianne Williamson

Even my crazy partying Gemini ran his own company work hard play hard was the motto.

I thought perhaps every time  that I could show them there is more to life, you think you can tell them life holds more beauty then 7 figures sitting in a bank account. I want to shout none of this shit matters !!!! But they don’t hear me. You can show someone the path but you can not make them travel it.


Richard Burton put it best when he said “we operate on alien wave-lengths. You are as distant as Venus–planet, I mean–and I am tone-deaf to the music of the spheres”

Maybe my Gemini listened more so then the others, he had Aquarius rising so he was evolved he use to tell me I think you know things no one else does. I was deeply honored

With this Capricorn Rising and my crazy Gemini My Moon conjunct their natal Chiron I don’t know if I possessed a conscious need to heal them. Chiron is where you carry your deepest wound accordingly to cafeastrology.com “Chiron represents insecurity, where we feel an endless need to prove ourselves”

I do not have a heavy Saturn or  Chiron in my natal chart I have Chiron hanging out in my 2nd house …we all have Chiron some place it opposes my Uranus in the 8th I read that those of us that have Uranus opposite Chiron “reiki, acupuncture, therapy are some examples of the subtle energy healing techniques that may be apart of your wounding, healing journey”

It was this Capricorn rising that inspired me to  get more involved in Reiki healing I am going for my certification at the beginning of 2017. I had touched him lightly in his stomach area and felt this wound, it was open, it was like I stuck my hand into another dimension and I quickly pulled it out.

It is said in synastry the moon person can heal and nurture the chiron person. I read on yahoo answers “when your moon conjuncts his chiron you possess the innate and uncanny ability to see through his facade and literally feel his pain”

Some people prefer to live behind a mask, some people prefer we don’t see the Wizard of Oz man behind the curtain. On some level they  enjoy their man made prisons it feels safer living with in them.

It takes alot to live your most authentic life, this personal path of endless self analysis that those of us are on isn’t easy. And yes we may meet people who have lost sight of who they are, and we may encounter people that forgot the beauty in love, and sometimes I think we- those of us in the metaphysical field- feel: I see the soul of you I know the whole of you… but you can not remind people who they are when they would rather forget. And you can not heal anyone that doesn’t want to heal. You can not make some travel on a path of self discovery if their soul isnt ready to leave where they are. It simply doesnt work this way. And while this saddens me I know I am living authentically I have gone to war with my wounds I am healed I am present and ready for great love and in the words of Nayyirah Waheed “You never ever have to convince someone to do the work to be ready. There is more extraordinary love out here in this wide and wild universe. And there is the love that will be ready”

 

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Saturn Opposite Jupiter Transit; A Crisis of Faith 

Published December 19, 2016 by starsmoonandsun

Perhaps I should have called my first post on Saturn opposite Jupiter transit “a crisis of faith” that’s what it is really and the closer the orb gets the greater the crisis will be I imagine. Make it till January Danielle that’s all you have to do I tell myself while some days I am so lethargic and want to cry a lot!

I can be a runner in some ways but I have decided to face my shit so I’m not carrying it with me into following years. When sad in typical Cancer fashion I stay home call out sick for a week and nurse my wounds. This time I have decided to confront my wounds head on. Only then Can you heal them

Jupiter governs the 9th house in astrology home to religion, beliefs, politics when Saturn is in hard aspect to Jupiter via transit your beliefs come into question. I have found people have been talking to me about “God” more so than ever before I was checking in a guest and he asked me if there was a god a colleague of mine wanted to know why people post pray for Syria what does that mean if god existed would this be happening ? I don’t believe in god not in the sense that one man is in the clouds dictating our lives. I have never believed in God like that my guest called me a Humanist when I explained this to him. I shy away from labels generally speaking. How very Aquarius rising of me
I encountered an issue recently that set me back financially and a disappointment in my love life that was harsh. Disappointment can be debilitating to me I am often naturally so hopeful. Disappointments in love are not an anomaly I have Saturn in the 7th house it sort of comes with the territory. This year numerologicaly (universally) has been a nine year it is said it is the end of a cycle and I can see a montage of bad relationships choices laid out in front of me. The culmination of bad choices I refuse to carry with me into 2017! I refuse.

Stop putting Hope in false prophets may be another Saturn opposite Jupiter catch phrase . “I release the pattern within my consciousness that created this condition” is one of my daily Louise Hay Affirmations I’m forever drawn to melancholic men that wear sadness like a cloak. The next one has to be happy I tell myself that should be the #1 criteria You can’t save anyone shit sometimes you can even love them, they won’t let you.

“when you have lived in a Dungeon for a very long time the light when you see it can actually hurt your eyes” – Marianne Williamson

So here is Saturn calling me on my Jupiterian beliefs I believe in Law of Attraction I believe in working with the cycles of your life I love Eckhart Tolle and Abraham Hicks I believe (such a Jupiter word) in those teachings so now it’s time to find practical application for them (Saturn) I have a social media account that’s compromised of astrology but also of spiritual contexts I can tweet Louise Hay all day but if I’m not living it well that’s just bullshit. You aren’t what you say you will do….you are what you do. (Ah a major 2016 lesson) so it’s time to get real (Saturn) about my spirituality (Jupiter) it’s time to go to work on it. It’s time to wake up and go balls to the wall with my faith. Transcend my own man made prison, change my subconscious limiting beliefs, not crumble in the face of dissapointment and truly believe that “everything is working out for me” I’ll drag my ass out of bed one day at a time one affirmation at a time one mediation at a time with the belief (Jupiter) with in the next 4 weeks I will be shiny and new

Saturn aspecting Venus; This isnt personal its business

Published September 28, 2016 by starsmoonandsun

Lately I have been thinking about love being the antidote for everything & how its important to love people even when they are unlovable. Of coarse from a distance, on a universal level: I see you are a human being made up from the same molecules and stardust as I am so I can love you even you aren’t lovable. I can send you waves of love from the sanctuary of  my own space.

I have written extensively about Saturn in regards to love, I would say I write about Saturn and Pluto the most because these are the two energies I am most familiar with. I have Saturn in the 7th house I have written about this a lot, how those of us with Saturn in the 7th or on Venus (Saturn opposite, conjunct, square to Venus) struggle with divine time in our love lives, how we attract authoritative partners or we have to be the authority in our relationships, how we have to work so hard when it comes to love, the way we use defense mechanisms to hold people apart from us. We cant take rejection, we can set the bar very high in love, we can meet people at the wrong time, we can meet people that aren’t available and anyone we do meet usually has a heavy karmic debt or element to it.

Where ever Saturn is; life is hard, life is difficult. As a cure to my own Saturn in the 7th I think to myself if you hurt me I will love you –from a distance any way- I have made a conscious effort to not set the bar so high that people have to climb to some idealized height. When something feels uncomfortable and I wish the whole earth would swallow me whole I will stay and face it. I have decided the next time I find love I will put the work in instead of running for my life because this seems “so hard”. And I will accept that my relationships will never be equal, never on equal footing that someone will always run the show though in all honesty I would rather someone else take charge. If I trust you to lead I will surely follow. Saturn in the 7th believes in traditional roles, conservative relationships that last. And I do believe in love the kind that captures your soul.

I was thinking about the men I attract that have Venus in hard aspect to Saturn; these arent warm and fuzzy men I suppose. These are the type of men that put work over love, that have blocks to love, the types that might bail if they sense that you may require too much. Some that may take an intimate expression as a sign of being needy. People that have Venus in hard aspect to Saturn are often not comfortable with physical expressions of love, Saturn is the planet of Authority, business, coolness, structure, restriction and aspecting Venus planet of love and leisure they likely have blocks to love. They are not at ease expressing love and affection. They may chose work over love, hide behind their work, keep love at a distance and deep down believe that they are unworthy of great love. They may forgo real love all together believing it is simply too hard or unrealistic.

I must tweet once a week

We have to let it all go, people only love you from their own levels of consciousness

I wanted to caution those of you  (and perhaps remind myself) that have met someone with Venus in aspect to Saturn to not take it personally this is their issue. Sometimes we have to leave people to do the fucked up things they do, sometimes we have to recognize that people have blocks and defense mechanisms within them so high and so deeply embedded in their unconscious minds that an lifetime may pass and they will still hold love apart from themselves.

My advice: Don’t take it personal love them any way recognize it is all their loss. They may very well let a lifetime pass them by never knowing what it is like to let someone in close enough to see the texture of their soul In the words of Dr Wayne Dyer if-you-meet-a-soul

And Nayyirah Waheed

 

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Progressed Sun Square Mars Transcending My Ego come hell or high water

Published September 3, 2016 by starsmoonandsun

I have several hard core transits right now Pluto is opposite my sun and squaring my moon and Uranus is exactly squaring my mercury. I am familiar with the Pluto energy I have Pluto on everything natal. Not all astrologers believe this, but I think when energy is familiar to you, you will not feel the transit as much because it is already integrated into your psyche/life and what have you.

What’s doing me in is this progressed sun square natal mars:

Textbook says you will have trouble with young men (this can sometimes be a violent aspect)

If you are not familiar with progressions and how to read them click below

https://starsmoonandsun.com/2012/03/04/a-breif-introduction-into-progressions/

 

The Sun and Mars both represent men, the men in your life. What the astrology textbook doesn’t tell you is that man will be like an alien life form from outer space.

This is Karmic his Saturn opposes my Venus and my Saturn squares his moon At his worst he may have Narcissistic Personality Disorder at the very least he doesn’t know how to love a woman properly but somehow I am stuck with him. This is a Saturn in synastry thing it binds for better or worse that is why it is often preferred to see in the charts of people that marry they will be less inclined to skip out. However I am not dating this man nor am I marrying him but he has been sent here from outer space to drive me crazy.

I confess I know I will be a better woman for it, but it hurts to grow, to stretch and quite frankly I was fine the way I was before, before he came into the picture.

Natal Mars the planet of young men (he is 10 years my junior) and aggression is squaring my progressed sun. The sun is your ego your identity and lately I have been working overtime on transcending my self.

I have my natal sun in the 5th house so I probably have an over sized ego. This is the house of my identity, my hobbies, my children my my my my my My mother once told me after someone broke up with me “you don’t really care its just your ego. Perhaps she was right.

I do care about him for whatever reason (residual past life crap) but yet I cannot date someone that is an alien. We don’t speak the same language we don’t see things the same way. But I can’t just toss him to the side ( I am also having a progressed Venus conjunct Sun but more on that later) I have to deal with him in some capacity socially I cannot escape him and this forces me to confront parts of myself I would rather not. He doesn’t behave in a normal fashion and for a second his behavior was extremely unsettling and upsetting to me I was angry at first  and on some days I am still angry my ego yells who are you to do this to me? How dare you promise me the sun, moon and stars and not deliver! Why would you do this to me? How dare he do this to me?  Meanwhile he behaves this way with all women. It’s a strange thing to watch someone hold themselves apart from the very things they say they desire. He has an inability to love. He lacks the capacity to have a normal relationship. He is like an extraterrestrial.  He has all these defense mechanisms up they are impossible to get beyond. I rarely ever see him exude any real sense of joy. People can only give what they have right?  I believe in astrology, introspection, and the law of attraction so I had to face some things about myself knowing: if you attracted it to you it is active with in you. So being with him forced me to examine my own levels of narcissism (clearly not pathological) and defense mechanisms .  Him and I both have Saturn in the 7th house which is known to put up barriers between you and other people. You can not take rejection so this placement will leave you before you can abandon them. We both also have self reliant moons (mine in Aries and his in the 1st house) leaning on others or being receptive to what others need in relationships probably aren’t areas we are naturally gifted. Remember his Saturn opposes my Venus so he is here to teach (Saturn) me something about love (Venus). But he is also teaching me about transcending my ego, learning to not allow others issues to become our issues that people are only operating from their own level of consciousness.

I tweeted once

“people only treat you and love you from their own level of consciousness so you have to let it all go its not personal”

I know that on mental level, it resonates with me mentally but getting the rest of me up to speed with that is another story.

And here I go again on a mission to transcend my ego.

This man will tell me I am beautiful his dream and his behavior is totally ET or maybe something out of that old Sigourney Weaver movie.

So while on one hand I may be upset I tell myself: none of this has anything to do with me. I try to treat him with love, kindness I would even go out on a limb and say I have been nicer to him than I have been to any man in my entire life (and let me tell you that shit burns my ass talk about Ego issues)

I am very reactionary and he knows this so a lot of times in typical Mars fashion he will light a fire under my ass and watch me scream at him and probably delight in it. But every time I am trying to be less and less hostile and channel my inner Zen,  I make focus wheels about him (watch my video) Make Focus Wheels to raise Vibration  I  pray on it and I have a chat with my ego I say self these are his issues stop reacting it has nothing to do with you.When people treat us a certain way it reflects what is at war inside of them and when we allow people to treat us a certain way it reflects what is at war inside of us. People that frustrate and upset us can be our greatest spiritual teachers if we would only allow them. When we meet someone and react in sorrow or anger they are showing us the aspects within ourselves that require healing. Please take the time and ask yourself what can I learn here? What are they here to teach me?

I know from meeting this man a strong desire to have a normal,  healthy and honest relationship was born from the ashes of the dreams this man sold me.

Relationships and vibrationRelationships are our mirror quote
Relationships are reflections Abraham Hicks

Now you would think it would be enough to transcend my ego but I am also having a progressed Venus conjunct natal Sun aspect. These are both exact , this is a big one they say if you have never known love before this will be it, this is “the one” progression. I can’t speak on that it will last another year I will be sure to let you know, but it isn’t enough for me to transcend my damn ego I also have to have compassion for him LOL. Sun conjunct Venus is the aspect of love.  And while a normal man that isn’t from outer space isn’t anywhere in site I wonder if perhaps this progression is teaching me compassion so every day I meditate I literally do a love and kindness meditation and send him some positive vibes. I have started to wonder how loving are we as human beings if we can only love people when they are acting lovable?  And if we want love to manifest in our own life, shouldn’t we extend our loving and compassionate nature towards those that act unlovable. After all people only love others about as deeply as they love themselves. Happy and healthy people, conscious people do not run around hurting the people that care about them. Isn’t it the people that are hurting the most the ones most in need of love? I try my hardest to show him love when I see him I hug him and treat him kindly because I recognize hurt people hurt people and wounded dogs bite.

This isn’t to say we should remain in relationships with people that hurt us, but hating them will never bring us closer to the great love we desire.  Wasn’t it Martin Luther King that said “Hate cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate only love can do that”?

You can wish people love and healing from a far. I would never suggest you stay in a relationship that is unhealthy or abusive. If you think you are dealing with someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder please visit my YouTube channel I have received lots of positive feedback from my videos on Narcissists. Narcissistic Personality Disorder

A lovely person on twitter suggested I read some books by Marianne Williamson that mention narcissism. I particularly found the book “A Return to Love” one of the best books I have ever read and know I will read it again and again.

Return to love

This progressed Venus conjunct natal Sun also falls in my 5th house of self so I have really began focusing on self love. I find it ironic that someone that seems to have the inability to love can teach another lessons on self love and compassion. I started doing self love Sundays on twitter I think it is important to love yourself openly and actively. Love is a verb right that’s what they said in my positive psychology class so if you want love to manifest in your life start by loving yourself only then can we extend that love outwardly. I also think there was a huge lesson or learning experience here that you have to love yourself enough to not allow other peoples behavior to upset you. Your ego says How could you do this to me but your soul says I recognize hurt people hurt people.

Last Night I was in a New Woman’s Circle and at the end of class everyone selected a different card. I received the harmony card. This to me was a divine message to A. Continue to extend Kindness and B. Continue to seek joy no matter what others are doing.

Harmony Oracle Card MeaningHarmony Oracle Card

 

 

I will leave you with some of my Self Love Sunday Tweets

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First House Eclipse Coming Right Up

Published February 29, 2016 by starsmoonandsun

The Pisces Eclipse is a week away and I have been feeling the impact. I feel like I am underwater (the eclipse is in Pisces after all), I offer clarity for everyone else via readings but I myself lack certainty. I recently met someone and we took off in a fury, flying high and I quietly thought to myself how will I get anything done with him around. What about my dreams, my astrology readings and my needing to complete a book I want to send off to publishers. I can get swept away in romance. I dissolve. This shocks people who see me as this independent super woman. This probably shocks men I become involved with. I think this stems from my Sun square Moon; I may seem independent (Aries moon) but when I’m in a relationship I’m not. I become my Cancer Sun; needy and clingy. I oscillate between complete independence and complete codependence.

I thought I conquered these issues, I thought I felt whole until I met someone and they brought all those issues bubbling to the surface. It’s easy to stay aligned alone PS. But when we meet others that’s when we see the cracks and the flaws in our spiritual practices. People after all serve as Mirrors. My greatest growth comes from relationships with Saturn in the 7th house and Pluto in the 8th house. Add to this his Mars falling in my 12th house so he is digging up my subconscious, making me see what I would rather not acknowledge. The 12th house rules the closet in the zodiac; it’s what we don’t want to acknowledge its home to our own self undoing. And here are all those facets of life staring me in the face.

These have been the issues for me, quietly, wondering how am I going to handle this energy. And then my Aries Sun and Moon boss said Danielle you can make this work but you can’t be so needy, then my Mom echoed his sentiment and then I went to my tarot reader and she said this relationship will require you to be independent.

I got the message loud and clear

I don’t know how I will do it but I will try

I will try not to dissolve (such a Neptune/Pisces word), not to need, not to get lost

This must be what the eclipse in the 1st house is about; asserting yourself, being yourself, owning yourself, acknowledging yourself and not forsaking yourself not even when faced with love, loss and all of the in between

Look at your natal chart for 18/19 Degrees of Pisces in your natal chart to see where this Eclipse will fall for you

A Venus Retrograde obituary

Published August 6, 2015 by starsmoonandsun

When Venus first went retrograde I was flying high, I thought this has nothing to do with me. Hahahah I am single I am happy I’m mediating burning essential oils and at one with the world. I knew on a conscious level Venus retrograding from Virgo (the sign of service) to Leo (sign of self) that issues or lessons would arise surrounding loving yourself (Leo) before you can take care of and love others (Virgo). I was all knowing and Zen but then a full moon hit my 12th house of subconscious and the things we don’t want to look at and Venus is after all retrograde in my 7th house of partners, enemies and those we face and all this madness came bubbling to the surface. I imploded and exploded.

Venus Retrograde

Retrograde periods are for reviewing, reworking, reconsidering, reconnecting with Venus being retrograde we reconsider our values, the way we give and receive love, and with it being placed in Leo we shouldn’t underestimate the power of self care. Retrogrades are a more internalized manifestation of the planet. They ask us to go within. Venus the planet of relationships has us reconsidering the way we relate to others. But before we can change our outer experiences we must go within and reconsider our own contributions both positive and negative to our partnerships.

I reconnected with someone who natal has Venus conjunct Saturn and I personally have Saturn in the 7th house, this is the same concept different aspect. We keep people out, we don’t let anyone in, and we are terrified of being hurt and abandoned. The both of us also have Saturn transiting opposite our Venus and his Saturn is conjunct my Venus in Synastry this indicates karmic lovers, hard lessons in love, seeing what you have to work on, being forced to acknowledge and own your shit. We went out on the full moon (I should have known better) and without getting into the details I will say I came to see all the ways I work against myself in partnerships, that I am the one that keeps people at arm’s length. They say that people will mirror you, that karmic ties particularly show you all you are and make you face yourself. This is really painful.  Him and I have many of the same issues. Our houses line up, we both have Sun in the 5th house, and we are both the life of the party masking our insecurities. I like to think that sometimes you lose yourself in others, but sometimes you meet yourself in them too.

we accept the love we think we deserve

I came face to face with myself that night, the relationships and disappointments that no longer serve (Virgo) me (Leo) Things and people I have held onto that haven’t completely been released. The way I hold others at a distance and how I shove them away if they get too close. I’m also going through a Pluto-moon-sun-transit and Pluto is always screaming you can’t take this shit with you when you go.

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I am undergoing a release of old outworn patterns, releasing old lovers (retrograde) going forward I plan on exercising more self-care (Leo) why do we only treat ourselves to reiki and massages when we are in the gutter. We should pamper and celebrate ourselves not just at times of crisis.  So many lessons here to learn, so much to release so this is my Venus in retrograde obituary I release all outworn patterns, hurts and relationships. I am open and ready to welcome in new energies, relationships and love.

What has Venus Retrograde been teaching you?

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Saturn/Venus; Keeping Love at Bay

Published July 8, 2015 by starsmoonandsun

I have been thinking about Saturn lately. I know I have written about him before you can take a look here:

https://starsmoonandsun.com/tag/saturn-conjunct-venus/

https://starsmoonandsun.com/synastry-vs-composite/love-is-hard-saturn/

https://starsmoonandsun.com/tag/saturn-transits/

https://starsmoonandsun.com/synastry-vs-composite/saturn-in-synastry-round-2/

https://starsmoonandsun.com/synastry-vs-composite/let-sleeping-babies-lie-saturn-in-the-saturn/

If you are familiar with me you will know I have Saturn in the 7th house, Saturn in the 7th is similar to Venus in Capricorn, Capricorn or Aquarius on the 7th house cusp or Saturn aspecting Venus Hastag #SameShitDifferentAspect

Restriction in love

Blocks to love

Delays in love

I admittedly only recently came to realize I keep people at arms length, Saturn is cautious-Once bonds are formed with a Saturn person they know they are etched in stone, Sade’s “Like a Tattoo” song comes to mind. Personally I also have a heavy Pluto on my Sun, Moon, Jupiter, Saturn, Midheaven and Ascendant. I am prone towards extremes in dealing with people. I either love them or hate them, rarely lingering in indifference this only enhances difficulties in relationships.

Back to Saturn

A few weeks ago someone expressed to me they don’t feel I love them; they are undergoing Saturn hard transits (conjunction, oppositions and/or square) to their Sun, Moon and Venus simultaneously.  I attempted to reassure them that I do love them to no avail. They said they don’t feel I love them because of this that and the other. I thought to myself: this is so Saturn, wanting people to prove your love to them, setting a standard or a bar for how people should love you.  I thought of the quote

“Just because someone doesn’t love you the way you want them to doesn’t mean they don’t love you with all they have”

Saturn/Venus can put loved ones through a series of tests wanting the other party to prove their love and devotion.  Likely the person jumping through hoops is set up for failure because Saturn sets the bar too high, Saturn can have unrealistic expectations. I contemplated how to proceed but I’m not a fan of proving myself to anyone, take me as I am or pretty much watch me as I go is my motto.

I know this person is going through quite an ordeal they aren’t into astrology and they aren’t in a state of awareness so I left the door open for them to come back… likely when this transit is over.

Saturn/Venus transits or natal can indicate issues of self worth, setting high unachievable standards for others, relationships feel like they are a lot of work, sometimes a person feels so unlovable themselves they project that out into the world feeling as though no one will love them (love is first and foremost an inside job). You can’t keep people at bay while simultaneously desiring them to love you. Life doesn’t work that way.

I confess I myself in the past have had walls (Saturn) so high with a list of requirements it would be unlikely anyone could reach.

According to Liz Green in Saturn An New Look at  A Old Devil “Venus Saturn combinations imply a certain amount of emotional pain in the early home life” it suggests lack of affection or direct appreciation for who the child is as an individual according to Greene. She further goes on to write about Venus Saturn contacts “These are people whose emotional growth has been stunted in childhood”.

Sometimes you find a Venus/Saturn person so devastated by a first love or heartbreak they cut themselves off vowing to never let anyone hurt them again.

I have known a man for several years he has Moon in Capricorn and Venus conjunct Saturn. He hasn’t been in a relationship ever nearing the age of 50 and while he is always gracious and fun (Gemini Sun), and bluntly honest (Mars on the Ascendant in Aquarius) I don’t think he will ever let anyone in. Unlike the other person I mentioned, he isnt open to love PERIOD, he isnt looking for you to prove anything to him. He seems to spend his life with people that do not know him, a superficial sort of travel and party lifestyle with various companions/friends/lovers. I saw him recently for my birthday after having not seeing him in about a year and a half. We have great synastry so its always all love, light and a natural ease when we get together. But I know he will never let anyone in. Maybe that’s a part of my own Saturn in the 7th house, attracting people that keep me out. I always have a strong desire toward prying someone open. This would never happen here, he is tightly sealed. He mentioned to me how its always easy being together, that no one in his entire life ever treated him like I do. I once bought him flowers. He is the only man I ever bought flowers for. My Mars in Taurus conjuncts his Venus I’m sure that had something to do with it. Sometimes if I see something, a quote, a cartoon, or a piece of art that reminds me of him I will send it to him. He said no one ever sends him things or touches him so light not like I do. I don’t attempt to change/mold/prove to him anything only making a mental note that the reason he surrounds himself with people that don’t care about getting close to him is so he will never have to get hurt. He prefers it that way. Recently telling me “if people see your weak spot they will only use it to hurt you”. Saturn on Venus can’t deal with the thought of rejection. If you never get close to anyone or let anyone in, no one can possibly hurt you.

This is a man with both of his feminine Planets influenced by Saturn, Moon in Capricorn (rules mom and women in his life) is ruled by Saturn and Venus the female principal is squared by Saturn. He will not acknowledge anything family wise except to say everyone loves his parents and his father is a high level attorney. Moon/Saturn or Moon in Capricorn restricts emotional outpouring. Here is another issue of feeling worthy or needing people to prove their worth to you. According to the book The Astrology of Family Dynamics Moon in Capricorn “it is not the lack of love but the ability to demonstrate or express loving feelings is diminished”. I simply wish him love, light and healing thoughts always knowing his capacity to receive love is at a limited capacity.

Right now I am going through a Saturn opposite my natal Venus transit, oppositional transits often involve people on the outside, coming to you or you can experience the opposition as a projection…those people don’t love me, those people have hurt me. Placing blame on to others what you don’t recognize in yourself that is what is happening with the person i mentioned early on.

Ultimately Saturn lessons involve; learning how to let people in, learning how to trust, learning to forgive people for not being 100% of what you want them to be; no one can meet that requirement. And if you have Saturn/Venus people in your life simply tell them I love you I am here if you need me and wish them love and light.

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