Living with Pluto in the 8th house

Published January 16, 2013 by starsmoonandsun

Usually I plaster some catchy title, but let’s be honest Pluto and the 8th house do not need cheesy catch phrases or introductions.
Pluto planet of death and rebirth is at home in the 8th house and I’m accustomed to Pluto in the 8th house considering it has been there my entire life, people experiencing this via transit may be privy to some sudden and life altering experience and it can be quite alarming because they are not accustomed to the energy. I think if you have a planet nataly over time you will learn to harness that planets energy, have it work for you instead of against you.
The back story on Pluto
Pluto rules: death in all manners, physically, metaphorically, spiritually and rebirth. Pluto rules power, the fight for power, perhaps for some feeling powerless, control, domination, darkness, depth, endings, and beginnings. Pluto’s Nickname is Lord of the Underworld. Look to the natal house that holds Pluto to see where you fight for control, where you will meet powerful people and where you will die and be reborn.
The back story on the 8th house
The 8th house rules similar things that is why Pluto is comfortable there, death rebirth, power, it also rules joint resources…you look to the 8th house to see what will occur with people you share money with. This can be a bank, a spouse, a business partner, the 8th house also rules sex; I’m going to say the darker part of sex not the light and fuzzy part look to the 5th house for unicorns and hand holding. I have the Sun in the 5th so yes I do believe in fairytales 😉
Pluto in the 8th house manifestation
Change and Transformation
I have been thinking about Pluto in the 8th house lately, how it manifests for me and what they do not tell you in Astrology 101 textbooks. A “psychic” once told me; you bring men face to face with who they are and this makes it difficult for you to have relationships or friendships because people do not want to know who they are, they prefer to hide. I have been thinking about this lately. Torn between the notion of accepting people as they are or catapulting them to a better truer existence. I have an issue with this; I have an issue with accepting people as they are. I think in personal relationships we should seek to bring people to live there highest potential. I’m unsure if we should allow people we care about to perpetuate there less than glowing attributes. In personal relationships don’t we want to be involved with those that deliver us to our higher selves? Don’t we want someone that holds us accountable?
That is the deal with Pluto in the 8th house, Pluto is a probing planet when making an aspect to another person’s personal planet (Sun, Moon Mercury, Venus, Mars) in synastry or perhaps our own personal planet we seek to transform that planet. If Pluto in on your Sun or someone else’s, we wish to change their identity, if it’s on the moon we wish to purify and strip old feelings and replace them with new. It represents a cathartic transformative process, purge the old and make room for the new. Death and Rebirth. Personally I’m always changing; I have Pluto in my 8th house aspecting my sun, moon, mercury and Venus and is a part of a cardinal t square. Plutonian energies are always at work.
That being said, I have began to question my own motives, the fact that I wish to transform people. I do think at times who the fuck am I? If someone is happy screwing up there life, living a lie or in some faux relationship, let them. Ah but Pluto is Compulsive, to me it represents truth. Textbooks say With Pluto in the 8th house this is indicative of having the power to transform other peoples’ lives. Its compulsive really, I find myself digging and probing, the more reserved someone is the more I want to get in there, get inside and figure them out and truth be told once I get in there I’m gone, I lose interest. Mission Completed. I like to go where others fear to go, explore emotional depths and visit the crawl spaces of peoples mind.
The Truth
Pluto in the 8th is on a quest for meaning and truth. You can skip the pleasantries and the how was your weekend bullshit. And don’t even think about lying to me, because I know. People with Pluto in the 8th house pick up on the undercurrents. I also prefer heavy conversations; preferably the less long winded the better. This isn’t a placement for mincing words. I ask questions that others wouldn’t dare ask and people actually tell me there truths. Not all but most. I don’t do frivolous conversation and I hate meaningless chit chat. I want to know if you think you are married to the wrong person and which child of yours is your favorite? One of my favorite book series is: Post Secret I have the collection; people write in to a PO BOX there darkest secrets anonymously. I love that idea, write it down, send it in and free your soul. I have 0 judgments when it comes to confessions; I think the truth is a gateway like astrology to greater understanding. Pluto in the 8th house is a natural born psychologist.
Extreme in temperament, power struggles and death oh my
I’m a person of extremes; love/hate beautiful/ugly. I think I unconsciously seek out relationships with power struggles. Was I the only kid in camp that “dated” my camp counselor? Probably. Power struggles, digging, searching, changing and oh yeah dying. People always die on me, I can discuss death the way most people would talk about chores, it’s just with Pluto in the 8th house you are accustomed to it. I’m not the one to hold your hand when you 101 year old grandmother died, just saying. Like my fellow 8th house Pluto friend would say, call me when you lost a parent, a grandparent before the 6th grade.
Crisis
Pluto in the 8th is great during an emergency, I can handle high-pressure situations with ease, but have me miss my train to work or misplace my house keys and I’m crying in my purse and cursing at the top of my lungs. I always find that to be a weird dichotomy in my personality. I also fee easily wounded, Cancer Sun in the 5th house can be very needy, fragile but eventually I see my way through the tears, heart break and disappointment and use it to transform into some one greater.
Where is Pluto in your Natal Chart and how is he working for you?

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70 comments on “Living with Pluto in the 8th house

  • What an eye opener post! I don’t pay much attention to outer planets, because I have been reading that they are generational and not as important as the personal. I had a look at my chart and Pluto is in the 7th house. Truth be told, my one – one interactions with people are very intense. Wishy washy doesn’t do it for me. Unfortunately I’m the one with the control issues and I’m extremely suspicious, wanting to dig the person’s past. Just asking questions is not enough for me, I want to do the actual investigation. I don’t think this is related, but one think that I’ve noticed is that as far as I can remember all of my closest friends have their sun sign in the water element. I just think that’s very interesting. Any suggestions as to why?

    • Having Pluto, Mercury,Uranos and Venus ( in conjunction with Pluto) in the 8th house I found your post great 🙂 thx
      regards from Zurich, Switzerland

      PS: btw just live across the street ( actually its a lake ), where Carl Jung lived (whom you are quoting)

  • Well, either those people who confess all to you trust you instantly, or they are completely scared of what you would do to them if they didn’t tell 😉

    Pluto Rx in 4th for me, conjunct Uranus Rx, trining Mercury Rx (and loosely Sun, South Node and Mars), sextile Neptune, and opposing Chiron. Perhaps the most important aspects: EXACTLY parallel and sexi-sextile to Moon in 3rd and counter-parallel/quincunx Venus (yes, Moon and Venus are also opposite). I can tell you this has totally lived out, especially since I came back to my birthplace, which even astrology lines have themes of Moon and Pluto! I cannot begin to tell you how over the years I have untangled an ancestral mess (mostly maternal side)! While I honestly have more problems with Neptune (a subject for another day), Pluto constantly turns me inside-out too. I get it! 🙂

  • Ha! I’m laughing and nodding my head reading this. I have Sun, Mercury and Venus in 8th house (Capricorn) and Pluto now hanging out there. Luckily, I am in a job where I have to ask questions to help people get to a point of authenticity regarding their issues, but it seems to take me much less time than others to get there. And people have always told me all their deep dark stuff whether or not I ask – recent cab driver spent twenty minutes telling me about his suicide attempt and subsequent treatment after me asking, “how are you today?”. : ) And yes, I “dated” camp counsellor. : )

  • I don’t know if I ‘seek out’ intense relationships but they somehow heal and transform. I am Moon/Pluto conj Venus in the 8th along with Uranus. I always thought growing up that everyone experienced deep, dark stuff. I found out later on life that was not the case. I don’t give much attention to the negative aspects of Pluto H8 because personally I feel it is a beautiful position that brings tremendous enlightenment when allowed.

    Could it be coincidence that my friends have told me, “You are the one I’m calling should this world lose its mind!” I dunno….maybe. 😉

  • Thanks! This is very informative. I have Sun conjunct Pluto 8th house in Leo. I like to dig deep & find out the cause of the problem /issue. Talk about transform other peoples’ lives. When I am in person’s life their life is better. That sounds arrogant(Leo?)Same thing if I leave a job the company goes under.

    • That’s wild! I also have Leo Sun conjunct Pluto in the 8th along with Mars in the 8th and Uranus 3 degrees from the 8th house cusp. I seem to instinctively know when it’s time to leave a job because the company undergoes some huge negative change.

      • You must be a little younger. The 8th house is a karmic house sex, death & taxes other peoples money. Imagine the metamorphosis of the butterfly in this house. you can sees through the B.S. of others & points out who is faking and who’s not.

  • what does the chart looks like when pluto is in the 8th house.
    Pluto is ruler planet of Scorpio but Pluto is not considered as planet in Astrology. The 9 planets in Astrology are Jupiter, Sun, Moon, Mercury, Saturn, Rahu, Ketu, Venus and Mars.
    Pluto, Neptune etc are not considered here.

  • well i also have pluto in the 8th in scorpio. i must admit that the way you wrote it was astounding, i never encountered such a profound.view of it. i also have saturn and the south node in that swamp. , just to complete the picture, moon conjunct neptune in 0 deg cap, both conjunct mc…. pisces rising and virgo sun setting. everything is ruffly afflicted and overwhelming….im lucky to have gone through only that much and still havent ruined everything on my sight and maybe find out what is it i want to do with these great powers, because im tired of paying in sorrow. i always fall in love with some fiery girl with pluto conjunct the asc in scorpio and when i bring my piscean virgoy shy and reserve manner as oppose to their straight on, starts an intense power struggle mixed with great fascination and magnetism, if you ask me its divine love that should work things out(pluto sextile mars venus and moon and squares jupiter). im trying to understand these patterns and ive had some hard time with saturn going throuh pluto and my south node as he approaches his natal spot next year…and the north also conjuncted my south a while ago….anyway its trials abd tibulation and great.drama untill i find a way to diffuse my neptunian indecisivness and th

  • Completely agree with your article. I have Pluto and Mercury in Libra in the 8th so I’m extremely intense with questions. People often do just come up to me and start confessing their inner thoughts, feelings, truths, sins…. Going to the market is real fun lol.

    In relationships I find it extremely difficult to hold back tell the other person their potential areas of growth that would greatly benefit them. Family, friends, lovers. Oh boy. Intense in the most extreme are intimate relationships. I have made men weep and I’m not proud of it, its because like you said no one wants to face the truth. They would rather hide.
    I don’t usually last with anyone who + years but he was a worthy opponent for he forced me to also face my truths which allowed me to transform. Which I’ve been in for the past few months 🙂 I often ask myself the same question, “Who the fuck am I to tell anybody anything?” It takes a lot to hold back and not say some stuff…. 🙂

    Transformational changes from the inside out are no joke for me. It’s not to be taken lightly. I come out of the cocoon more beautiful, lightness and darkness and more powerful than before.
    I wish I could have kept this last one but it seems no man is able to stay for very long. I also have Saturn in the 7th lol.

    We could go on all day about this Pluto placement. Thanks for the fantastic article and keep up the good reads.

  • i think 100% right i also has pluto in 8th house but i think it brings bad luck in relationships as i have the worst luck ever in relationships i always meet the wrong ppl !!

  • I have Pluto conjunct Mars conjunct Uranus in Virgo in the 8th House which is ruled by Leo. My Sun has now progressed into Leo. Can anyone tell me what the triple conjunction in Virgo 8th House means?

  • HI,
    Am definitely a heavy plutonian….. its just this energy seems very hard to understand or deal with at times.. i have pluto trine ascendant, sun, sextile mercury, opposite mars, sextile neptune, opposite moon, pluto in scorpio in 8th house…… i definitely have heavy psychological bent with issues concerning shadow etc. just not sure how to achieve balance or some kind of peace with this hard-hitting and sometimes overwhelming burst of intensities, urges, desires, transformatory influences ….. some help and direction would be appreciated
    Sun in Pisces in 1st

  • I just found your article. Thank you with all my natal Pluto 8th house retrograde heart! In all my years this is the best description write up.

  • I have Uranus and Pluto in Virgo in the 8th house. Capricorn Sun, Capricorn Ascendant and Libra Moon. Mercury in Capricorn in the 1st house and Venus and Mars in Aquarius in the 2nd. North Node in Gemini in the 5th and Mid-Heaven in Scorpio. Please, tell me, will there be any respite any time soon?????

    • all of those cardinal planets and points capricorn sun, asc and mercury with the libra moon are having a cardinal crisis. Im as well pluto conjunct your sun and uranus squaring it. those Aquarius planets are probably being squared by saturn in Leo as well, With out knowing the specifics i cant tell. 😦 remain open dont hold onto tight to any thing, thought person or way of living. xoxo

    • Wow, PJI3!
      I Thought maybe I wrote your post. We have almost the identical chart! But add my libra moon to Pluto in 8th. Life’s been a nightmare since 2/2014 and 2015 was the worst. (Nothing under my control) just out of control like can t get any worse? It’s gotten a tad better but still getting through it.
      Hope your tough times have let up and you’re on to positive happier times.

  • I can totally relate to this! I literally go out of my mind over small things, like getting lost or misplacing something.
    My 8th house pluto is also the apex planet of a tight t-square (sun 5th gemini, moon 11th sag). Scorp is on my midheaven. I’m always trying to figure out best career options, but I don’t quite understand what pluto in virgo in the 8th represents. My merc is in cancer/6th.
    Also neptune conjuncts my midheaven and is the apex of another t-squre.

  • This is a great post which I can relate to very much. Its straight on and quite accurate, I didnt find something so real regarding pluto in the 8th…
    I have pluto right on the cusp of the 8th in scorpio, and also saturn and the south node there..yeah, yikes. That pluto sextiles neptune and the moon(both in 10th house 0 deg capricorn) and also mars (6th house 7 deg virgo) and venus(6th house 29 deg leo). It also squares jupiter in aquarius 11th house (singleton in air unless you count 3rd house chiron in grmini)im a virgo(7th house sun) with pisces asc. After that long description I can say that I never really had a relationship. Ive had very intense emotional bonds and unfulfield romances (last one was with a fierce leo with scorpio asc and pisces moon) and Im still far from being over that intense affair that lasted 3 years. It made us go through an enormous transformation…I lost alot of weight and became quite stable with my life . It seems like I can be a perfect partner but I have so much to learn about letting go and being relaxed, feel attractive and playful, and how to be a lover…

  • Been away from astrology for decades. Astrology seems to explain the patterns. I am a virgo/libra (9th house) and have pluto conjunct mars in the 8th house of leo. I am always probing people, looking to fix people. To me people are too distracted to look inside themselves and see pandora’s box. Stupid me, I think I can safely open that box. You can’t make people transform! They come into my life, soon I’m pushing the red button yelling “transform dammit!” I only do this with people in my life. I am concerned with how people close to me effect me. “Ooh is that girl or guy sanitary?” If I am stuck in a relationship, I tramsform, I adapt. That’s nuts. That’s me. Gotta get some help.

  • I have Pluto/Uranus conjunct Virgo in 8th house, as well as my Moon, in opposition to Saturn R in Pisces and Chiron. I also have Mars, Venus and Neptune conjunct in Scorpio 10th house, so I definitely have 8th house themes. I find that people come into my life briefly, I help them with their issues, and then they are gone… I want to know the real person, the motivations behind the character, and ways in which I can help them transform themselves for the better. This scares off a lot of people, as they often don’t want the transformation nor do they want me to see the ‘real them’ that they hide, and I know I can not force it, so only allow the process when they ask. I am not perfect, so I work on myself first. This chart has enabled me lots of time for self-development, and to be creative, so my creations can assist others to be more themselves. And, an added bonus, I have all the help I could ever need from my dreams and my intuitive guidance. I feel that I have ‘everything’ within myself. The only thing it really doesn’t bring is wealth, as most of what I do is charitable..

    • i can relate to thatpeiple come inwith problems and uhelp then they move on, if i cant help them, to xform them, theres drama, maybe i dislike the corrupted influence s, maybe i muat cleanse things , idk

  • holy cow i have cancer sun in house five too, also conjunct jupiter, i feel to attached to death being pluto in scorpio and the eighth house, i kept feeling being in themiddle of the xformation. so far im getting more attuned with the metamorphosis i think, perhaps

  • I have pluto in the eight house in scorpio, and sun in the fifth house in cancer. It’s interesting to read what you wrote about it… In my case, it always happens to me that people show their worst aspects of themselves in my presence and this is weird… I mean I don’t know, they just do it and I don’t know why. It makes me feel bad, like it’s my fault, even if I just stayed there and did nothing.

    • I started to embrace it lolz, I have pluto in eighth and scorpio, sun in fifth house and cancer as well. I find myself in the middle of persecution all the time

  • I have Pluto conjunct Uranus in Virgo 8th house…true, it is easier to deal with the troubles of life than finding my keys sometimes. I remain rather stable in tragedies and panic of get exhausted by trivialities and or small problems. People do tell me their deep concerns effortlessly.

  • I recently discussed this very topic, do I let others know what I know about them, or do I just accept them as they are? It’s all theoretical anyway, I can’t possibly know anything for sure, but my insight is shockingly persuasive to others. I have an extreme amount of air in my chart. So I am very detached with all of this, unless you challenge me, Mars in Scorpio. Then I let the tough words out and I am the ICE queen when I do it, no remorse. I have grown up with this, harsh truths said to me. Sounds emotionally abusive, but it is made me more empathetic in the long run.

    The answer I feel the most comfortable with is, I let them decide. I know when someone is really ready for transformation. Usually it’s about the time they are ready to give up on themselves. It is only then that my gift of rebirth will be accepted. You have to be ready to kill yourself metaphorically, if not you are wasting my time.

  • I love what you wrote here! Basically I can relate to everything you said. I have Pluto conjunct Saturn conjunct Jupiter in the 8th house. My moon is in cancer, so I can relate to your cancer sun

  • I was searching the topic because my 6 year old daughter has a pluto conjuct jupiter in sagitarius at the 8th house and since she is two she talks about god and love of god and every word she talks is a wisdom. We are not religios people, we love God and we teach our kids being good but thats it. Her kindergarten teacher told us she said to her when she grows up she is going to be writer and teacher that teaches people about god 🙂 it is just so interesting and i guess a pluto conjuct jupiter at the 8th house can make you religious.

  • well i am a 8th house plutonium. and i cannot keep a relationship to save my life.. men just walk away like they they wasnt just saying how much they love me.. they eventually resurface but by the time they do im over it. i am a libra sun, cancer moon and my venus and mars is in scorp… do u have any knowledge on that? also the read was great.. thank you

    • Relationships reveal your beliefs about yourself. This kind of attraction works both ways. Other people will be drawn to you if you tend to reflect their own empowering beliefs about themselves. However, if something about you reminds them of their own fears and insecurities, they won’t want to be around you. Mostly it has to do with the tapes in our head. Our parents. This can be a hard pill to swallow with because it means that we need to accept responsibility for our own perception of reality. Awareness is the path to freedom. Forgive me if this too harsh. I do understand

  • I have Venus in Libra and Pluto in Scorpio in my 8th house with my Scorpio in Pluto forming a trine with my Ascendant in Pisces,and I totally relate to your post. I’ve been told I can be really intense at times and I’ve had strangers and friends by strangers confess things to me without any initiations from my part. I recently went through a breakup where I was unconsciously attempting to force my boyfriend to transform and he just wasn’t ready to, so I had to walk away. I’ve also had my best friend tell me I’m not her mom when we got into a fight because of the way I was (unconsciously) trying to control her ( she’s a Sun Cancer, Moon Aquarius, Virgo Asc, so it makes sense) from making poor life decisions which at the time I didn’t see because my Sun and Moon are in Sagittarius with are supposed to be all about freedom and letting other people do their own thing, so the last thing I thought I wanted to do was control other people’s lives. I’ve also gotten into a bit of trouble in calling out the truth that people weren’t ready to hear, it causes me some (more like a lot lol) problems, especially in school but I just can’t stand seeing people passing off bullshit as the truth.

    • It’s interesting about your Venus in Libra conjunct Pluto in Scorpio. I would think Venus, which is exalted in Libra, would be very helpful when dealing with legal matters and such, considering that the 8th house is all about power and legal matters, etc. I always think of Venus in Libra as a very beautiful image, sort of like an Aphrodite/Athena combination. And wow, Pluto in Scorpio in the 8th house! You can’t get any more Plutonian than that. Fascinating! 🙂

  • Hi! I just found your post, thank you so much! omg does this ever hit home for me. It sounds like a lot of other people here can relate as well. I have Pluto conjuct Venus in Virgo in the 8th house, opposite my moon in Pisces in the 2nd house. Also, an unaspected Uranus in Leo is sitting in my 8th house too. For me I am always trying to probe deeper, and I am so intensely aware of the denial that most people around me seem to be in about stuff in their lives! I see every pink elephant in the room very easily, but as far as confronting that, it’s really hard for me. My Pisces moon always wants to escape. It’s an interesting dichotomy really. Finding the right balance between going deeper versus just relaxing and merging with whatever is. Having Pluto and Venus conjunct eachother makes me want to purify everything! It’s like having OCD about it. I can’t stand anything left unresolved and unclean. But again, the Pisces moon opposes that, and wants to let everything slide and allow stuff to happen organically My unaspected Uranus in Leo is a feisty devil that I keep hidden from people unless they really know me well. I really love your blog, can’t wait to read more stuff! xoxoxoxoxo

  • really fun to read about Pluto in the 8th house, that’s exactly who I am well almost exactly lol truly hate chit chat . I require deep and meaningful conversations, people come to their problems and spilled her guts. Not always up to it but I can always look at your beautiful hair and think of something else why they Babbel on.thank you for this enlightening information.

  • I have Pluto in my 8th house. And I can’t relate enough to how this really speaks my mind on personal relationships with partners. And it’s funny how true it is that when your relatives pass away I can hold my tears back and comfort everyone else but of I’m late to a job or arrive somewhere without at least one thing missing I am internally screaming and can’t handle it. I like to think that people would want to know what their fears when confronted can bring to them either deeper in depth with life or deeper involved with themselves instead of running and hiding from it. Idk but this was insightful and got me interested more in what else I can bring out from my 8th house in Pluto energies. -♓ 🌞

  • Lol, this is so true. I have natal pluto in Libra 8th house too. I am so intense. I cant stand superficial people. I am forever digging. And that about asking people about taboo questions comes naturally to me. I often ask people if they married the wrong person. I am comfortable asking people how they are coping with a family member’s death. When I was a Nurse, I found myself more interested about the lives of my patients, their regrets and all stuff they don’t want to talk about. I don’t know whether some told me because they were comfortable with me or they were scared that I would do stuff to them. it is weird really. Also, now that I am a lawyer, it gets even bizarre. I once had to stand in for a colleague to postpone their case. This client maintained innocence throughout, but on that day that I met him, in 15 minutes he told me the whole truth. All I asked was, “why would anyone accuse you of this crime”? I was really just joking, I did not expect a confession. Fortunately, the guy was not my client and I just went there for a postponement. It is weird really. At times I am scared to even ask the simplest of questions because what I get as a response sometimes leaves me drained emotionally. Because once a person confides in me than I feel I have the duty to somehow help them solve it.

    Sexually, I am attracted to very powerful people and to those who are mysterious. The silent closed off type. the dichotomy though is that, I get annoyed when I just cant get through to these people. At times I feel like they are living in a space where they are limited and I believe I know they can be better. whoever told me that I know better about everyone I still do not know to this day. I constantly have to remind myself to let people be and just leave them alone, but I cant. I am obsessed to wanting to see people to attain their highest potential. Even when the person was doing just fine by themselves before they met me. On the downside of it, people have a tendency of distancing themselves from me. which is quite painful because none of my actions come from a bad place really. But oh well. it is a very interesting placement. I love the fact that I look powerful though, and oh, apparently I am sexy.. so, ya..

    And the last thing, hide anything from me, and I will leave no stone unturned until I find it. I am a great researcher. Thank heavens I am also lazy. Lord knows no one’s secrets were going to be safe if I had enough energy.

  • I have pluto, venus and mercury in scorpio all in the 8th house.

    Sun libra, moon pisces, capricorn rising.. I wish I found an astrologer who would really explain how these play together.

  • I have pluto in my 8th trine my asc, Thank you for this post. I feel my darkside. If I weren’t a good person I’d be very bad. I think with our psychological/psychic abilities/tools we can be anything we want. We are reborn every time we enter a different scene/job/room/whatever.

  • I have pluto in the 8th (sextile my sun and neptune, semi-square to my mercury and mars, and semi-sextile my venus). I totally relate to the attraction to the quiet or mysterious person. I always fall for my boss. When I was young, I felt strange for being so obsessed with death. people are constantly admitting to me after (emotionally unloading) that I’m “just so easy to talk to”. I have had a handful of nightmare friendships that ended explosively, which starkly contrast the majority of my relationship experiences (very positive). I’d love to better learn how to understand the psychic premonitions I receive.

  • I read this and actually started crying I related so much. I have my Pluto and sun in sag in the 8th. The part about wanting to dig into people and really know who the truly are touched me. I’ve always felt that with relationships if you’re not able to take off your mask and really show your true self then why be with that person? Why be friends or date someone whom you’re not even able to show your ugly side to. I want to get to know someone inside and out. Fully understand them and know even the ugliest truths about them. I want to grow with someone. Die and be re born together.

  • I loved your description of how it feels to have Pluto in the 8th. I have moon in Aries in the 8th house (currently being squared by Pluto in Capricorn). I also have natal Pluto trine Mars and Saturn and Moon. All of my life, I have been a person who complete strangers come to and tell me their deepest, darkest secrets – child abuse, domestic violence, sexual issues, bereavements, all kinds of stuff which some people might recoil from. I have never really understand why I am the repository for people’s secrets and pain – I used to think it was because they sensed that nothing shocked me so they felt safe to tell me without being judged. But I have also been through a fair amount of darkness myself and can feel a lot of empathy (in most cases).
    I do also have a sense of emotional undercurrents (good and bad) – I can usually sense what’s hidden, who is lying, who is in pain. I often remain silent in situations where people are putting on a phony act and I can see what really lies behind it. Sometimes I get gut feelings about people (which usually turn out to be right) but have more rational friends who will tell me I am imagining things (when I know I am not).
    I do have the issue you talk of – seeing someone I care about living a lie, seeing what they could be at their best, and trying to transform them by digging out the fears and obstacles that prevent them from being who they could be. I am learning to tell myself – if they want to live a lie, or live a life of self delusion, or self harm, I have to walk away and leave them to it, and stop trying to rub their nose in the truth. But it’s hard and I have spent much of my life despising those who do not live their own truth and fear self knowledge. That sounds harsh but I am just as harsh on myself if I feel I am not being ruthlessly honest with myself too.
    My philosophy is : be true to yourself and you cannot be false to anyone else. And also: there is nothing to fear but fear itself. These two mantras see me through most situations. These are just some passing thoughts in response to your post…

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